But  what do  you think? Speak out honestly! Pope’s favoured interviewer  claims Francis denies Christ’s divinity!

In the pic: Pope Francis and Eugenio Scalfari

Martin M. Barillas

Martin M. Barillas in Lifesiste Oct.9, 2019

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I published already in my facebook a similar, larger report on the topic(Jesus: Man or God?) as reported in Catholic Herald of Sept. 8th (See: Facebook-jameskottoor). Of course, you know and I know, that this issue is not going  to be settled as long as the money-minded churches exist.

Irrelevant Questions

The question here is not ‘Why Pope gives interviews to an Atheist or why the Atheist doesn’t  take notes. Pope or anyone for that matter is free to give interviews to anyone. More, it is the duty of a Christian to befriend an assumed enemy or correct one who is in error or enlighten an ignorant person. So Francis is on the right track. As for journalists they can always report the substance of an interview without taking notes. 

Quotations from those considered great and one’s feelings, convictions and religious beliefs are not scientific proofs for the rationally oriented. It is not for Christopher Altieri of Catholic Herald  to declare anyone heretic. If Pope met the Jesuit James Martin, and not the dubia cardinals, it is his choice and it is not for any one to attribute motives. 

James Martin & LGBQ

As for James Martin’s craze for promoting LGBQs, personally I am not excited or enthused about it, in fact the controary, although I perfectly understand the discrimination the Gays, the lesbians and Homosexuals face in society and the extreme need to show compassionate treatment to them as a Christian duty. But I am not for encouraging them to join the celibate priestly class which is an invention of the Catholic Church, as study and experience have taught me. 

But nothing can separate me from my love, admiration and attachment to Jesus, man or God! I am more in the vice-like grip between the jaws of this HOUNT OF HEAVEN than HE in my grip. This may change, since CHANGE alone is the unchaning law of nature. Now this is also the law that Church should change constantly. 

Jesus God or Man?

As for the concept of Jesus, as Son of God or just MAN, I underwent two radical changes during 85 years of my life. First Jesus was God incarnate or Son of God; second, He bcame my bosom Friend; third my human FRIEND, subject to birth, growth and death. As of now reason rebels against me to consider him as God in human body, impossible!  To explain these stages in detail, will take me to write a book. Please hold me excused for not doing it here. I may still change, as I am not dead yet and my life is extended indefinitely. Hence my dream to continue my search for TRUTH even beyond the portals of death, as stated in my Chicago speech. james kottoor, editor CCV.

Please read below Lifesite report on Man Jesus!

ROME, October 9, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Atheist Italian journalist Eugenio Scalfari has claimed that Pope Francis does not believe that Jesus Christ is truly God and man.

The Pope has granted Scalfari numerous interviews throughout his pontificate, despite repeated claims from the Vatican press office that his reports are unreliable. 

In La Repubblica newspaper on Wednesdaynt times, to meet him [Pope Francis] and speak to him with the greatest, Scalfari wrote: “Those who have had the chance, as I have had differe cultural confidence, know that Pope Francis conceives Christ as Jesus of Nazareth, a man, not God incarnate. Once incarnated, Jesus ceases to be a God and becomes a man until his death on the cross.” According to Scalfari, “When I happened to discuss these phrases, Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the definite proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once he became a man, even if he was a man of exceptional virtue, was not God at all.” 

EWTN news anchor Raymond Arroyo reacted on Twitter, writing that he finds the report “hard to believe.” However, he added, “Why does the Pope continue to grant interviews to an atheist who does not take notes and relies on his aged memory to reconstruct conversations?”


Raymond Arroyo,✔@RaymondArroyo


I find this hard to believe. But why does the Pope continue to grant interviews to an atheist who does not take notes and relies on his aged memory to reconstruct conversations? The Vatican must correct this. 

7:04 PM – Oct 9, 2019; 535 people are talking about this

The Holy See Press Office’s director, Matteo Bruni, issued the following official response to Scalfari’s report: “As already stated on other occasions, the words that Dr. Eugenio Scalfari attributes in quotation marks to the Holy Father during conversations with him cannot be considered as a faithful account of what has actually been said, but rather represent a personal and free interpretation of what he has heard, as is quite evident from what has been written today about the divinity of Jesus Christ.” 

The Catholic Church teaches “that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother: ‘What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed’, sings the Roman Liturgy. And the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom proclaims and sings: ‘O only-begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us!’” (CCC 469)

 A self-declared atheist, the 95-year-old Scalfari is a founder of La Repubblica and a one-time fascist who later became a libertarian and member of Italy’s national legislature. Scalfari has conducted several interviews with the pontiff. In March 2018, Scalfari claimed that the Pope told him that hell does not exist. La Repubblica claimed that Pope Francis had told him that the souls of those who do not go to heaven are annihilated. Francis allegedly said, “Souls are not punished,” and “Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell — there is the disappearance of sinful souls.” Annihilationism is considered a heresy by the Catholic Church. 

At the time, the Vatican Press Office disputed Scalfari’s account, asserting that the Pope really does believe that hell exists and that “no quotation of the article should be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.” Media outlets have noted in the past that Scalfari uses neither a tape recorder nor takes notes during his interviews, and has admitted that he reconstructs conversations according to his memory.  

Following the report by the Italian journalist, Christopher Altieri of the UK-based Catholic Herald wrote: “Why on earth does Pope Francis still trust Eugenio Scalfari?” He called upon Francis to “disown not only the precise verbiage Scalfari reported in his piece, but the ideas foisted upon him therein—at least the ones that are manifestly heretical.”  

“The longer he does not,” Altieri wrote, “the stronger the case becomes for believing he cannot.”While Pope Francis has not chosen to grant an audience to cardinals who have formally questioned his teachings on marriage and salvation, he has met with other controversial figures. Recently, he met with Fr. James Martin, a fellow Jesuit who has been notable for his advocacy to normalize homosexuality within the Church. The pope has not met with Cardinals Raymond Burke and Walter Brandmuller, for instance, who along with two now-deceased prelates published their dubia questions about Amoris Laetitia in 2016. 

Also read below just 2 of the hundreds of reactions to this article. editor 

Dante Chesterton @DanteChesterton

The strategy of Francis is to introduce heresy little by little through the cracks of ambiguity. 

Nuno Rogeiro @nrogeiro (also in Facebook) @nrogeiro·

Oct 9

Also apparently what the Pope said is that from the moment of Conception until the Ressurection Jesus was not only the Son of God, but also a man, sharing his destiny with the rest of mankind. Of course the exact words may have been misinterpreted by some  one who doesn't know.

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